tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post7162399537772618018..comments2023-09-02T07:09:34.264-04:00Comments on Digging Out From Our Mess: No move for us right nowMystihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17496508600320205581noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post-88780020897927021892014-02-19T08:21:56.669-05:002014-02-19T08:21:56.669-05:00No. He has a H'S diploma. I spent a long tim...No. He has a H'S diploma. I spent a long time trying to encourage him to get a degree. I think NOW he understands the importance, but the timing isn't right.Mystihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17496508600320205581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post-83480715089800092442014-02-19T08:18:21.684-05:002014-02-19T08:18:21.684-05:00By the way does your husband have a post secondary...By the way does your husband have a post secondary education? He is likely competing against many people with degrees.<br /><br /> Theresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00948148571415167380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post-29155219631424998252014-02-19T08:16:30.853-05:002014-02-19T08:16:30.853-05:00At my job you hit top rate in 5 years and that is ...At my job you hit top rate in 5 years and that is it forever. No amount of extra education will change it. We get small pay equity raises yearly. Unless you want to apply for a management position(no thanks) then you will be making the same rate until you leave.<br /><br />Government jobs here in Ontario are where people are raking in the big money. Of course this is not sustainable as you can't keep raising taxes to keep the privileged few living the high life. <br />Theresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00948148571415167380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post-7509420535421674122014-02-18T19:59:36.342-05:002014-02-18T19:59:36.342-05:00I just realized looking back at what I shared that...I just realized looking back at what I shared that it was FAR too detailed for a simple 'comment' LOL!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post-26679831383117131082014-02-18T17:15:45.696-05:002014-02-18T17:15:45.696-05:00This is a very confusing system. I think I wouldn...This is a very confusing system. I think I wouldn't like how the most qualified person for a raise has to go through the steps. Some people deserve more of a raise than others. Nd.chichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09918828872616125907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post-65471481206084299372014-02-18T14:05:33.301-05:002014-02-18T14:05:33.301-05:00Who you know only works if you get past round one....Who you know only works if you get past round one...which is done by a computer at headquarters. Once it gets to the hiring person...then maybe you have a better chance. But the hiring person only sees what is passed by the computer. They never know anything about the rest. And even if you go to them, then can't overide the system.<br /><br />He doesn't know anyone at the other location....the one person he knew is no longer there. At his current office, he talked to a few managers who all said he has the qualifications and ability to do this job. But the computer disagreed.Mystihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17496508600320205581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post-47328625265189861662014-02-18T14:00:48.410-05:002014-02-18T14:00:48.410-05:00And what would happen if YOU didn't work harde...And what would happen if YOU didn't work harder.....one person can't carry it all.<br /><br />G-man has been with this agency from the beginning of his gov't career. It is 22 or 23 yrs at this point. And his job is considered "entry level", even though he is at the top of the pay scale for his job. It is frustrating that it took me so long to get him to really look towards other things. He really should be at a 10 by now...Mystihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17496508600320205581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post-83233046442950153962014-02-18T13:59:03.991-05:002014-02-18T13:59:03.991-05:00In my industry it's who you know, not what you...In my industry it's who you know, not what you know- you learn on the job.<br /><br />Does he know any of the managers in the other roles/ locations?HS @ Our Debt Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15832696189497002591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post-42013254549504719712014-02-18T13:27:19.515-05:002014-02-18T13:27:19.515-05:00Painful area, my hubs has never had so much as a p...Painful area, my hubs has never had so much as a promotion and was the last person to receive a Sr. status in his office. It has been an embarrassing long ride and he won't even consider a promotion. Really makes me mad. But why should he I can just work harder.Out My windowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13456481267171643227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post-37401596512462143892014-02-18T12:56:38.595-05:002014-02-18T12:56:38.595-05:00Nope. He has too much time in on the government s...Nope. He has too much time in on the government side. We would lose pension. Additionally, he doesn't have a college degree. His options in the private sector would be considerably limited.Mystihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17496508600320205581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post-76238224804148305862014-02-18T12:55:38.148-05:002014-02-18T12:55:38.148-05:00Yes, he does. :)Yes, he does. :)Mystihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17496508600320205581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post-87108653692081235392014-02-18T12:55:22.543-05:002014-02-18T12:55:22.543-05:00I really wish there was a way of KNOWING how long ...I really wish there was a way of KNOWING how long the consequence would be for. Guess we all wish that, huh???Mystihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17496508600320205581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post-4035381294901451182014-02-18T12:54:38.567-05:002014-02-18T12:54:38.567-05:00I think you will benefit greatly once you are able...I think you will benefit greatly once you are able to get to Chi-town and have a fresh start!Mystihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17496508600320205581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post-45562059775356967932014-02-18T12:53:43.094-05:002014-02-18T12:53:43.094-05:00It is amazing how complicated they make some of th...It is amazing how complicated they make some of these things!!!Mystihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17496508600320205581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post-22693788464332613722014-02-18T12:52:53.608-05:002014-02-18T12:52:53.608-05:00Thanks for the comments.
1) Keywords...we don...Thanks for the comments.<br /><br />1) Keywords...we don't know what they are looking for! He has restated answers based on the words used in the questions, and then were told they weren't what they wanted. We have reused words in both the questions and the resume. <br /><br />2) He is an 8 step 10. We already looked at the pay scale and I *think* the lateral was a 9 step 4 going up, and I don't remember the 7....but at the top of the 7 it was something like 5k less. Like I said....at his office it has been promotion in about a year, but we know that isn't a guarantee.<br /><br />3) His 2nd job isn't an issue. He has been there 10 years and the office knew about it. No conflict at the office. HOWEVER....it would mean a change in schedule at the 2nd job, and they won't be happy (he works 2nd shift at the office, so he does 1st shift at the store. this would get flipped if he gets a new job).<br /><br />4) Can you elaborate what you mean by "job is explained?" I know what we have put...but just curious what you mean. Feel free to e-mail me at mysti1031 AT yahoo DOT com.Mystihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17496508600320205581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post-84737283863994728692014-02-18T12:41:05.115-05:002014-02-18T12:41:05.115-05:00Has he ever thought of getting a job in the privat...Has he ever thought of getting a job in the private sector? I'm not sure if you've mentioned anything regarding this before. Kashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04654276911677134739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post-57511700748579253482014-02-18T11:53:42.017-05:002014-02-18T11:53:42.017-05:00Bright side: he still has a job.Bright side: he still has a job.The Mortgage Slayerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05728595730663874822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post-85288941930445953452014-02-18T11:49:27.349-05:002014-02-18T11:49:27.349-05:00We had to make that choice about 20 years ago. We ...We had to make that choice about 20 years ago. We chose the pay cut for the promise of a better future. It worked out, but it was a hard decision with hard consequences. Good luck!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post-61839822932014325312014-02-18T11:43:48.312-05:002014-02-18T11:43:48.312-05:00Mysti -
A couple of things. First - I was in the...Mysti -<br /><br />A couple of things. First - I was in the government 20 plus years and changed jobs a few times - including moving from admin to a professional series and then from one professional series to a different one. And benefitted from a few career ladders (5 to 12) and (11 to 13). And I took a step back from a 12 to an 11 to switch professions. And I have review/scored/interviewed applicants at all levels. I just say all this so you know I understand the crazy rules of government hiring. So my advice. <br />Don't' bother applying for a job if the key words haven't been worked into the resume. Either a machine or a HR person who doesn't know the job and is just following a checklist will put the application in the no pile without those words. Equivalent experience is meaningless at that point. It is meaningful when the next person reviews it but you need the key words to get it there.<br /><br />I think you and Gman are right to consider a 7/9 and he should apply at both levels - there is an advantage to being the best qualified 7. And he may not need to take a pay cut depending where on the 8 ladder he is. They will actually pay him up to 2 steps more if there is room on the scale. So if he is say an 8 step 5 he could end up with more money as a 7 step 9 (just making up the levels!). That being said - don't count on the automatic promotion after 1 year. When I was moving up the ladders it was standard but in the last 5 years at the agency I worked at and where friends worked - this started to stop and people spent two or more years at each grade before being promoted - even those who scored very highly on appraisals. You just never know so make sure you can do more than a year at the lower grade. Last thing- make sure Gman can still work the 2nd job in the new position - it may not be a conflict but the management may frown on it (allowed but held against you).<br /><br />Last thing on the resume - always make sure the job is explained - I looked at a lot of colleagues resumes when they applied for higher level positions and while I knew what they meant when they said they "did X" - because they didn't explain the skills they used - they never got far in the process. Hiring folks usually have to go by what is on the paper. And even. If they don't HAVE to - it is an easy way to get excluded from a job if the person doesn't like the applicant or wants someone else to get the job. Sad but true. SAKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12897399135827762683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post-88025997642445050522014-02-18T10:30:22.215-05:002014-02-18T10:30:22.215-05:00Public sector sure sounds complicated... but I can...Public sector sure sounds complicated... but I can understand being in a similar position for the private sector and being in a line of work where you can't get ahead unless you transfer into another ladder and move a few steps back, but with a higher ceiling than the current work. I am currently in a similar position, so moving and starting elsewhere may be my only chance for serious advancement. Taniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11075300256482920618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post-16446178142215585742014-02-18T09:59:46.268-05:002014-02-18T09:59:46.268-05:00My ex's family worked for the government, so I...My ex's family worked for the government, so I remember hearing about these salary grades. When I graduated college, I desperately wanted to land a job in that arena, but boy was it DIFFICULT! I ended up taking my first full-time job with a large insurance company (still here to this day). They operate a different, yet somewhat similar system of salary grades:<br /><br />Each job is assigned a SG with a minimum and maxium salary potential. However, these min/max are dependent on the type of job. A SG 30 in one department might start out with a base pay higher than a SG 30 in a different area. There's no rule how high/quickly you can promote, but it's pretty unheard of to move more than 2 or 3 SG's up. Higher SG's require more experience, education/certifications, etc. <br /><br />To go a step further, raises (to get you to that maximum), are based on a percentage of your SG. For example, some SG's have a potential raise earning of 5% of your salary if you 'meet' expectations, which is a "3". Other jobs have 10% and up (the more prestigious your job, the higher percentage). If you exceed expectations, you could potentially earn more, but those type of ratings are hard to come by. The percent of raise you receive in April-ish (IF they're given of course) is dependent on your year-end review from the year prior. <br /><br />In my current position, I am a SG30. I make barely above the minimum, far from the maximum of $64,400. I have the potential of earning a 10% raise. *fingers crossed* the work I did in my new job last year (I was only in this position for 4 months in 2013) earns me score of 3 and a 10% raise. But alas, there is more to consider. Sometimes when you're promoted a SG, which I was... 29 to 30, you're denied a raise the following year. EVEN IF your promotion only garnered you a minimal raise of (in my case) $500ish. Not $500 a month, $500 in total.<br /><br />It's all very calculated and sometimes unfair when certain departments decide to ignore the rules and do their own thing. But I'm still grateful for the opportunity to earn raises and bonuses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com