tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post3064551324137615930..comments2023-09-02T07:09:34.264-04:00Comments on Digging Out From Our Mess: Guess I didn't expect that....Mystihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17496508600320205581noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post-55624859478944543372012-09-28T21:51:36.550-04:002012-09-28T21:51:36.550-04:00I think giving a gift rather than a party is a gre...I think giving a gift rather than a party is a great idea. Our local school district does golf outings and outdoor festival type activities rather than the traditional candy or junk fundraising, which I like. <br /><br />I think you have the right idea, but if you can't get any of the vocal parents to support you then I would take a deep breath and let it go. You don't need the extra stress. Morganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04952774765256299013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post-15906006938909899432012-09-27T13:38:56.109-04:002012-09-27T13:38:56.109-04:00Thank you for all the explanations. I appreciate ...Thank you for all the explanations. I appreciate all you said. Quite interesting. Too bad about the auction idea being shot down. (maybe something for you to suggest: our elementary yearbook is handled by one teacher volunteer and the volunteer 'yearbook club' made up of kids 3rd - 5th. It's a learning experience for them - they take photos, write the stories, etc. Parents may also submit photos but no guarantee they're accepted. Middle and high school do the same way.) Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17783777937509508046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post-46514908380921361972012-09-26T16:33:32.877-04:002012-09-26T16:33:32.877-04:00I grew up in VA, and the senior class always gave ...I grew up in VA, and the senior class always gave a gift to the school. My class purchased a very large boulder, designed for "art." The gift was always designed to be something that the school could use, or get some benefit from. Other classes in my county (we had 26 high schools), purchased computer equipment, signage, or contributed to other larger projects that were being fundraised for (one school was trying to upgrade their football stadium...so the graduating class made a donation to that fund).<br /><br />Since this is the first year that a class gift is on the table...we will have to see how it goes. Nothing would be decided in terms of what to get until much later in the year. Many times teachers are able to get grants to cover some items, so no sense in agreeing to buy XYZ, and then they are able to buy it themselves.<br /><br />The first step would be getting people to agree to the concept. Then we would figure out how much we would like to put toward it. And lastly, decide on the actual product. If we are shooting for $300...and only have $200...then we have to pick something that is in that price range. I am guessing that it would be March or April before the actual item would be decided.<br /><br />I actually brought up an auction idea last night...and it was mostly shot down. The people there didn't want to do the work that the auction would require. Some of the items you mentioned sound lovely. I doubt anyone would pay $1500 at our school though!Mystihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17496508600320205581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post-76249658932176707092012-09-26T16:25:07.269-04:002012-09-26T16:25:07.269-04:00Alot of posts reference things I have already talk...Alot of posts reference things I have already talked about...so if you haven't read everything, or if you skim some things (I know I do!!), it is easy to miss a few of the finer points.<br /><br />I am sorry if you think I am snippy. Sometimes I have limited time...and if it comes across as short, then I apologize.<br /><br />You asked why parents have a say in yearbooks....because they are the ones who put it together. Our school has nothing to do with it. It is a group of parents who volunteer to put it together. If no one wants to put it together, then there is no yearbook. No "school" money goes towards it. It is generally paid for by the families who wish to purchase one (I have never bought one for my kids). The price of the yearbook is based on how "fancy" it gets. If the people who put it together go fancy...then the price goes up.<br /><br />I thought it was clear that I advocated cutting back. My posts about how over the top these things are which end on the "no way" note were meant to express that. And as a PF blog (that has veered off into the personal), I do talk about the budget of those things.... and my frustration with it.<br /><br />I would love to get people to make a decision and then act on it. However, I am in the minority. I have to pick and choose where to be more aggressive. If they want to take a survey....fine. I would rather save my "chips" for another area.Mystihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17496508600320205581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post-48723145923238535902012-09-26T16:13:14.738-04:002012-09-26T16:13:14.738-04:00Education in a public school is free. A basic edu...Education in a public school is free. A basic education.<br /><br />However, the enrichment stuff...the extra stuff....is not. At our school, the PTA fundraising is mostly aimed at the enrichment stuff....field trips, programs. Additionally, our state has changed it's curriculum to "the common core", which the majority of states follow. This change also means that many materials that are currently used are out of sync, and need replacing. The school budget covers the basics....again, the enrichment of the curriculum is not covered.<br /><br />Teachers spend ALOT of their own personal money trying to round things out. Our PTA tries to help the teachers as we can.<br /><br />Yes, parties are certainly not necessary. They are a bonus. Most of the 5th grade stuff is not necessary...it is bonus. People want to do it...so I am trying to start the ball on cutting things back, so eventually it is something that becomes a smaller deal. <br /><br />CT is one of the highest taxed states....I certainly pay my taxes, and I doubt I get much more as a citizen than the rest of the country. <br /><br />I am not sure you have ever really looked at a school budget (not PTA...the district budget). Well, I have....and it is amazing how little money the schools actually get and what they are expected to do with it.<br /><br />As a parent, I volunteer because I can't just pay a ton of money. I give my time. We do not participate in the fundraisers for the most part. But we give what we can...to enrich our kids education.<br />Mystihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17496508600320205581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post-52005610230813769832012-09-26T13:46:12.545-04:002012-09-26T13:46:12.545-04:00PS> never heard of a high school class gift to ...PS> never heard of a high school class gift to a school either. Guess we are cheap here or it isn't our tradition. Hard for me to understand this idea as I don't have a reference point.<br /><br />What would happen if someone decides on the specific item to be purchased before collecting the funds and then not enough $ is raised? Do they return donations since it is only for one specific class year?<br /><br />For instance, when we bought a rock wall and also freshened up the playground we had a $ goal for the year but didn't reach it. So it was rolled to the next year when we catered a less expensive movie & dinner night so the extra $ could go for things we still needed. <br /><br />We're so experienced w/the dinner now that we can predict the # of tickets sold and money raised last year goes for this years event for many years now. Otherwise, how would we pay the caterer if not enough tickets were bought? Some years we have enough for face painting, magicians and the like or they are donated. Otherwise we can cut them out to save cost. <br /><br />Our auction raises a LOT of money; some parents become quite competitive over bidding on things their kids class made. I remember one year someone turned an old dresser into a sort of gardening stand. Inserted a sink and painted it and the class kids made flowers on it with their thumb prints. It would probably be ruined in the 1st rain? But sold for over $1,500!!! Most class stuff sells for several hundred, I can never afford it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17783777937509508046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post-74136010998052543552012-09-26T11:28:41.642-04:002012-09-26T11:28:41.642-04:00Here's the thing: Public school is supposed t...Here's the thing: Public school is supposed to be free. Or it's supposed to be paid-for via taxes paid by the citizenry, more precisely. Asking parents to contribute so much money (and fund-raisers are parent shakedowns, primarily) so that parties can be thrown and so that extra money may be given to the school for their general budget (or even for some needed item that benefits the whole school) gets really burdensome fast for people who don't have room in their budget for constantly feeding money into the PTA/class budget/gifts/party funds, or whatever.444https://www.blogger.com/profile/18317761558076527630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post-37063206713385712402012-09-26T11:18:37.394-04:002012-09-26T11:18:37.394-04:00Some parts of your posts obviously weren't cle...Some parts of your posts obviously weren't clear to me. Never heard of parents getting together to plan parties and fund raisers of the type you describe but I only have experience with NM and CO school districts. 30 minutes and $50 bucks for pizza and yearbook signing sounds like plenty to me. What in the world would cost $3,000?!! (seriously, I'm really curious) I have 3rd, 6th and 9th graders, none ever had a "graduation" unless you count preschool and we were paying tuition there. We live in the best district and we don't do stuff like that...<br /><br />Curious, why do the parents have a say in how fancy the yearbooks are? Why doesn't your district or principal handle that?<br /><br />You sound snippy and defensive sometimes when you reply to people (& people think I come across as stuck up because I have as and am reserved) but you do understand that my post was in support of most of what you had to say and very negative towards the very type of parents you're writing about? Except for the class gift. The way you've clarified it now I would simply send a note home to all parents explaining your idea and asking if they'd like to contribute or not, check the box. Then buy whatever you can afford after donations, whether it's 20 or $200. That's how I'd phrase it at the next meeting - "I'm going to send a note explaining this gift thing and ask for donations." Bet ya anything that you'd get the same blah response while getting exactly what you want.<br /><br />You haven't talked much about advocating for cutting back. You said that you brought up your idea and that most hemmed and hawed (if they uttered anything at all) and wanted to postpone the whole thing for later. "Piss or get off the pot" my dad used to say... meaning, make a decision one way or the other. Those parents need someone to make them get their XXXX together and most people really don't like having to make decisions, they want the easy way out (sadly imho). I suggested previously that you might want to consider helping them do that (because it sounds like you think your view/this issue is important and because those parents sound like idiots, like silly Snooki Housewives of wherever). <br /><br />For myself, no way I would pay my kids supposed share of an event that I didn't agree with but I've given myself strict rules about school $ over the years else we'd be broke because we like to do it all. Like you said, no need to support with time and energy either, we all have to decide individually what really matters when it comes to our children's education and our own finances and that's what we put our effort into. Anyway, hope it works out for you in a positive manner.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17783777937509508046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post-20575745663001396532012-09-26T10:09:44.221-04:002012-09-26T10:09:44.221-04:00First off...this is NOT PTA....this is all about t...First off...this is NOT PTA....this is all about the parents of the 5th graders. PTA does put some money toward 5th grade activities, but as a whole, it is the responsibility of the 5th grade parents to decide what will be done, and how to pay for it.<br /><br />As I have said...this stuff is way over the top. Which is why I am advocating cutting back!<br /><br />Lastly...the class gift is NOT to the teachers...it is to the school. The idea is that it is somthing that the school can use (example...last year the teachers needed a new digital camera, which the PTA purchased...the total cost ended up being about $150 with sales).<br /><br />If we did a class gift, the parents would decide what to give based on information we have gotten from the teachers and principal about things the school can use. It would be similar to buying a piece of playground equiptment (although not as $$$!!)...something everyone would benefit from.Mystihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17496508600320205581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post-69198273180058764502012-09-26T09:06:06.924-04:002012-09-26T09:06:06.924-04:00Our PTA is doing just two fund raisers this year. ...Our PTA is doing just two fund raisers this year. We're raising money for classroom I-Pads, not for parties. We have a silent auction of child-made and donated items (cards/photos of items on a table at school NO party) and a community spaghetti dinner and movie night so we can all commune, not partaayyy. Last year it was BBQ. <br /><br />I don't get the parties thing. Why is your PTA responsible for that? Here each child buys his own yearbook (about $15) and the entire school has an outdoor field day to celebrate the end of school. The graduating 5th graders are honored by being allowed the 'grown-up' privilege of helping the adults with the younger grade events. We are big on healthy activity not $3,000 cake and punch.<br /><br /> And a yearbook signing party? Are you serious? LOL Uhm, a few minutes at the end of one of the last days of school is more than sufficient. <br /><br />In past, more affluent years, we raised money for benches on the playground, art on the walls, EXTRAS that benefit the entire school not some dumb forgettable party. PARENTS volunteer to bring treats and perhaps a craft for holiday parties otherwise kids you are on your own, let your mommy throw you that private graduation party you so *deserve*.<br /><br />I also don't get your classroom gift to teacher idea. Isn't it a personal choice whether to give a gift and what that gift should be? Personally I would never stand for being told that I had to give a gift nor would I take kindly to being solicited for a suggested specific group gift. Ten years ago I made cookies to express my thanks to a special teacher, today they (or room moms) expect gift cards to their favorite restaurant.<br /><br />As for fund raising at school, I don't allow my kids to sell anything. Period. Ask me for cash and I'll give it but quit trying to make me sell cookie dough and wrapping paper to the same neighbors who are trying to sell me the same crap so the school can get 50% at best.<br /><br />The other parents in your PTA sound like a bunch of self-absorbed brainless snobs. Perhaps you might suggest to them that an evaluation of their group purpose be revisited.<br /><br />(maybe you should tell them that your opinion is right; compromises aren't always useful and it seems like a lot of wishywashyness is going on so they might like a stronger leader who tells them whats what)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17783777937509508046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8465887551310827456.post-26132145592452016592012-09-26T09:05:44.221-04:002012-09-26T09:05:44.221-04:00there is never no clear winner in these situations...there is never no clear winner in these situations and there is always going to be one person who NEVER EVER agrees with the rest of the crowd.<br /><br />Good luck and I hope things work in your favour as it seems like the way to go in my humble opinion.<br /><br />GillGill - That British Womanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17456247587052149765noreply@blogger.com